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Last updated by Kor 4 weeks, 1 day ago.

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December 9, 2025 at 2:36 pm #17648145

Kor
WPML Supporter since 08/2022

Languages: English (English )

Timezone: Asia/Singapore (GMT+08:00)

Thanks for your detailed feedback and for your patience while we’re looking into this.

First, I’d like to clarify how Translation Memory (TM) works in ATE:
when a segment (a sentence or piece of text) has already been translated, ATE should reuse that existing translation automatically the next time the exact same source text appears. In other words, once you’ve paid for a segment to be translated, you should not be charged again for that same segment in the future. If Translation Memory doesn’t behave this way on your site, we will treat it as a bug and refund any affected credits. You will not be charged twice for content that has already been translated.

For your reference, here is our documentation about Translation Memory in ATE:
https://wpml.org/documentation/automatic-translation/automatic-translation-using-translation-memory/

About the double-charge issue after November
From what we can see so far, the double charges started happening only after November, which strongly suggests a bug or a specific condition that appeared recently. We are actively investigating this, but we will need your help to pinpoint the exact cause.

You mentioned that you only made a few changes, but on our side we can see that multiple updates were triggered for the same content, for example this page revision:

-hidden link
-hidden link

This suggests that something in the workflow (or a third-party plugin) may be causing extra, possibly automatic updates and therefore creating multiple translation jobs.

To better understand this, could you please:
-Send us a few example pages where you are sure you made only one manual change.
-For those pages, we’ll review the revision history together to see what might have triggered multiple updates in the background.

Please rest assured:
We will refund the credits used due to double charges, and right now, our priority is to identify the root cause so that:
-it doesn’t happen again.
-we can correctly calculate and refund the affected credits.

How we’d like to proceed (to find the root cause)
-Update all WPML-related and relevant plugins first
-Please make sure WPML, its add-ons, and other key plugins are updated to the latest versions (after taking a full backup).

This helps ensure we’re not chasing something that has already been fixed in a newer release.

Controlled test: make a few small changes on a few posts
-After updating, please pick a few posts and make one small change (for example, change a word or a short sentence). Save/update the post once.
-Let us know which posts you edited so we can check the ATE jobs and revisions and see if the issue appears again.

Avoid rapid/frequent updates for the test
-For now, please avoid making rapid consecutive changes to the same post.
-After making a change, wait a few minutes so that ATE can fully process(shows a pencil icon) the translation job before you edit again.
-This will help us see if the multiple updates are caused by timing/overlapping jobs or by something else.

Refund plan
Once we finish this small round of testing together:
-If no further double-charge issues appear on the tested posts and you confirm that everything works as expected,
-We can then proceed to refund half of the credits used in November and December as discussed.

If, on the other hand, the problem still appears during the test, that’s also helpful: we’ll have a clear, reproducible case to fix, and we’ll refund the credits that were double-charged because of this bug.

Please send us:
-A few example pages where only one change was made, and
-Confirmation after you update the plugins and perform the small test edits.

Thanks and please let me know how it goes.

December 9, 2025 at 6:54 pm #17649106

oliverh-53

Hi Kor,
Thanks for taking care of this.
We almost never change anything — here are some examples:
Not changed at all: hidden link

Changed a bit (if at all): hidden link

Our tech officer is not here for the next couple of days. You have access, so you are welcome to update the plugins.

I will make a couple of small changes when you have updated the software.
Please let me know when the software has been updated.

Thanks,

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December 10, 2025 at 1:50 pm #17652491

Kor
WPML Supporter since 08/2022

Languages: English (English )

Timezone: Asia/Singapore (GMT+08:00)

Thanks for your reply. I’ll have our 2nd Tier Support look into those two posts.

Regarding the update, have you already created a full backup? Since you’re updating from a very old version, there’s a risk that other parts of the site may break if we’re not careful. If the backup is ready, please let me know and I’ll proceed with updating the outdated WPML plugins.

December 11, 2025 at 10:51 am #17655543

oliverh-53

Hi Kor,
My tech manager says that a backup is not necessary. I hope that is ok. Please proceed.

December 11, 2025 at 6:12 pm #17657278

Kor
WPML Supporter since 08/2022

Languages: English (English )

Timezone: Asia/Singapore (GMT+08:00)

Thanks for your reply. I’ve updated all WPML plugins as shown in the attached screenshot.

Our 2nd Tier Support has reviewed both pages you shared, and here’s what we found:

For hidden link

We don’t see any double charges. I can see 12 credits used on 10-09, which is expected because the client changed this text:

<h1>Cronmeter Coupon Code – Save Up To 20%+</h1>

to:

<h1>Cronometer Coupon Code – Save Up To 20%+</h1>

Revisions: hidden link

This is valid and behaves as expected.

For hidden link

The page shows many untranslated sections, which explains the credit usage. Again, we do not see any double charges here. On the WordPress side, there are also multiple updates recorded:
hidden link

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December 13, 2025 at 10:11 pm #17661732

oliverh-53

Hi Kor,

Thanks for getting back to us. Regarding the double charge, it is likely an issue on our bank’s side, and they are currently reviewing it.

That said, the main concern we were hoping you could help clarify is the total cost. We’ve paid approximately $858 USD over the past six months for a very limited number of articles, which doesn’t seem reasonable to us.

If you claim that this usage and billing are correct, I’ll need to discuss this internally and consider alternative solutions.

December 15, 2025 at 5:34 pm #17665528

Kor
WPML Supporter since 08/2022

Languages: English (English )

Timezone: Asia/Singapore (GMT+08:00)

Thanks for your reply. Please allow me to double-check the amounts for the past six months on your account with our 2nd Tier Support.

December 16, 2025 at 10:12 am #17666938

Kor
WPML Supporter since 08/2022

Languages: English (English )

Timezone: Asia/Singapore (GMT+08:00)

Thanks for your reply. I’ve checked your account under the email contact@fueled-by-coffee.com , and I can see a total amount of €726.49 for the past six months (June–December 2025). Your translations are coming from three domains:

hidden link
hidden link
hidden link

We reviewed the translations for hidden link and noticed higher usage in October. Based on this, we checked the translation jobs that consumed the most credits:

hidden link
hidden link
hidden link
hidden link
hidden link
hidden link

These translation jobs used a total of 148,848 credits, and we’re not seeing any issues with the credit usage. However, the site is currently down due to an SSL error, so we’re unable to check further at the moment.

Also, could you please share the list of translated URLs you’d like us to review? We’ll then check the corresponding translation jobs to see whether any credits were double-charged.

December 17, 2025 at 8:16 am #17670009

oliverh-53

Thanks for getting back to us.
Yes, it’s okay to deactivate and reactivate the plugin.

Regarding the backup: our tech lead is on vacation, and my boss is quite annoyed about the situation, so we’ll have to take the chance and proceed without a backup this time.

You already have access to the WP admin (as shared earlier in this thread).

Thanks, and please let us know how you will compensate us for the excessive number of translations.

December 17, 2025 at 4:36 pm #17672093

Kor
WPML Supporter since 08/2022

Languages: English (English )

Timezone: Asia/Singapore (GMT+08:00)

Thanks for your reply. I’m sorry for the confusion, but I didn’t ask for a backup or for permission to activate or deactivate any plugins on your website. I only mentioned that your site was down earlier, which prevented us from checking further at that time.

As noted in my earlier reply here https://wpml.org/forums/topic/request-for-invoice-overview/?paged=3#post-17666938 , we reviewed the translations on hidden link and did not find any issues with credit usage in October, as the usage was genuinely high during that month.

While I’m checking with our 2nd Tier Support about possible compensation for the double charges in November for hidden link, could you please share the list of translated URLs for all your domains that you’d like us to review? We can then examine the corresponding translation jobs to determine whether any credits were double-charged.

December 18, 2025 at 6:05 pm #17676076

Kor
WPML Supporter since 08/2022

Languages: English (English )

Timezone: Asia/Singapore (GMT+08:00)

Thanks for your patience. I’ve received feedback from our 2nd Tier Support team, and they’ve agreed to refund a total of 13,750 credits to your account, as we were able to identify duplicate charges from November 2025.

Please let me know if this is acceptable to you.

December 21, 2025 at 10:41 pm #17680835

oliverh-53

Hi Kor,

Thanks for your effort. I’ll need to check this with our account team, as duplication charges is a serious matter and I need to understand how it will be handled.

For my briefing to management, could you let me know how much 13,750 credits equal in USD?

Also, please clarify why your team did not find any issues with credit usage in October, as it has already been acknowledged that several articles were translated 5–10 times.

Thanks in advance.

December 22, 2025 at 4:41 am #17680959

Kor
WPML Supporter since 08/2022

Languages: English (English )

Timezone: Asia/Singapore (GMT+08:00)

Thank you for your response. As shown in the attached screenshot, 13,500 credits are equivalent to €8.80 EUR. You can also verify our pricing manually through this link https://wpml.org/documentation/automatic-translation/automatic-translation-pricing/ .

Regarding the usage concerns, the double charges only occurred in November, as detailed in this forum thread https://wpml.org/forums/topic/request-for-invoice-overview/?paged=3#post-17648145 . Our 2nd Tier Support has confirmed that no such issues existed prior to November.

I have also attached a screenshot of our October findings. You’ll notice a few posts consumed a high volume of credits due to the number of target languages. Please note that the long strings of digits are simply Translation IDs used for internal tracking and can be ignored.

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