Background of the issue:
I have paid 1050 EUR without discount for WPML pay-as-you go translation services. I encountered an error while translating using pay-as-you-go saying I need to pay today 05.11.2024 . The entire website in Greek and Romanian was translated, and I was waiting for system to upload it. For some reason plugin was forcing me to pay 1050 EUR (950 EUR with discount) again. After payment, it switched to prepaid credits. I used troubleshooting to remove automatic translation and reactivated pay-as-you-go. After that again I see you accumulate money for translation that already had been done and you switched me to highest pay-as-you-go credit cost.
Symptoms:
The pay-as-you-go service reverted to credits, causing a force charge of 1050 EUR. The lowest price per credit was reset to maximum, and I received a long error message in the AT error log. Now again you start accumulating payment for something you already charged me for.
Questions:
Will you billing me twice?
Why is my lowest pay-as-you-go price per credit reset to maximum?
I would like to request temporary access (wp-admin and FTP) to your site to take better look at the issue. You will find the needed fields for this below the comment area when you log in to leave your next reply. The information you will enter is private which means only you and I can see and have access to it.
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Just to clarify, don`t you see the billing from your end? Don`t you see from your end what happening to my pay-as-you-go billing?
Please confirm that, and I will provide you with access you request. For now I just can not justify the need of admin access to my website, to check WHAT and HOW exactly I am getting billed. This info is from your side!
Lauren : I only have limited access, so I need to get assistance from our AMS team for how this happened or what is expected.
Lauren : I will convert this now and reply in the ticket confirming your max subscription. I will be in touch soon.
Again to add - this is not bug-tech related question, it is about how you charge me and formulate the price for translation.
This is the technical support forum, not the administrative team, so I don't have access to your billing information. I am requesting access to your site so that I can provide the most information to figure out how/why this happened and how to get it resolved as soon as possible. Things such as job ids, UID number, page IDs, etc are all things that we will need to find these jobs in our AMS system and figure out what happened. Access to your site will speed the discovery process up a lot, and allow me to get information to our other teams (admin, AMS) a lot faster versus them having to ask me questions, then me come back here ask you the questions, and then return with the answers. However, if you do not want to provide access at this time, I will proceed at the best of my ability.
What I have been able to find in your account so far is that you had previously paid the safety limit fee on October 24, which allowed you to increase the credit limit. The next payment I see is for the 3336073 credits for October usage (that's the charge you paid 950 EUR for). These were the credits you used and paid for during the month of October.
It looks like what happened was that you had a subscription, and there were multiple failed payment attemts which resulted in the subscription being ended. If this is the case, then you may be seeing the pop up asking you to may which is the safety limit, because if the old account was closed, the new one will require the safety payment in order to allow you to continue translating. Please send me a screenshot of what you are seeing now that is asking you to pay another 100EUR.
In October 24 I have been charger 2 times 100 EUR. problem 1
I reached 3336073 credits AFTER I payed subscription, not before. I payed them AFTER i payed subscription, so this is not the case.
It is not asking me to pay nothing, just do not translate. problem 2
Exactly what happened problem 3:
After I payed WPML support subscription, then I translated Romanian and Greek languages, which forced me to be charged 950 euro (1050 without discount). After I payed them - uploading translations stucked. in WPML troubleshooting I canceled automatic translation jobs and started it again. As the translations were made, just was not uploaded, it should have not charge me agiain, but OK. It is the 3rd time I'm hitting 100 EUR limit. It also means I'm paying highest price per word, even I`ve already had lowest price per word.
I am struggling to explain you the problem, it seems to be easy, but we can not understand each other.
WPML say: pay-as-you-go credits, you pay 100 EUR first limit, then it is 4000 EUR. Alright, first simple question, despite all others - Why I'm forced to pay 100 EUR THIRD time in few days?
Why I'm paying highest price per word ?
Why I already payed for translation, and you again charging me for it, as multiply times WPML state in support tickets what is translated - does not charge second, third time, etc?
If I have to explain and as the same question for 1000 time, as I tried week ago in pervous ticked, with the same questions, but lower amounts in risk, maybe chargeback would be the best option? As you seems not to understand It is NOT OK to charge me whatever you want, after stating exact prices and limits, and doublecharge me for translations I already paid?
Please share the invoice numbers for each item that you paid, as I am not seeing the same information in my system. Let me do my best to clarify.
1. You were charged $100.00 on October 25 - this was the safety limit charge that allowed you to continue translating.
2. Translation continued and you used 3336073 credits. This is what you paid for in the next invoice that I see for €952.92.
3. As I explained in my previous post, you had a subscription that was cancelled due to too many failed payments. So, you had to re-subscribe, which is why you have to pay the safety limit again to allow you to continue translating.
4. I will need you to share the invoice numbers for where you are saying you are charged 4 times for €100.
5. I don't know what you mean by "Why I'm paying highest price per word ?" - the credit cost per word comes from the translation service that you choose (Deepl, Google, etc) and that can be changed in your WPML -> Translation Management -> Tools settings. Perhaps you mean costs for Pay as you go, in which case, at the end of the month, WPML charges you based on the number of credits you used during the course of the month. Your first 2,000 credits are free each month. The next 8,000 cost up to €6, and pricing drops down to €0.1 per thousand credits. It's all based on the number of credits used.
Invoice numbers for 100/100.05 eur
ATE-978851
ATE-978844
For monthly and for some reason less then 4000 EUR:
ATE-1011321
Once again to clarify my question :
1. Am I being properly charged, as you even can not say I was charge several times the 100 EUR, do you have ability to see if I am being wrong charged?
2. Why I have to pay 100 EUR minimum limit several times?
3. Why after reaching cheapest price for credit, it is being put several times to highest charge?
4. Why I have to wait for days even weeks to continue translation, what is the problem in general? I have to pay another 100 EUR (for something I already paid - as I think, and even if I'm wrong on highest price possible even If I am reached lowest price limit)
Can just uploading translations to my website continue, and even if I need to pay more, I will, but after we clear this question all? I am not against paying for translation, I'm against making this process last weeks and lack of understanding from your side. I am not escalating this problem, but from the way you handle my questions, which are simple, and time - is it really needed for me to do Chargeback so you to be interested to clarify the problem and then I pay the right amount? Its a second week I'm asking the same questions, does not receive any answer. Hope we clear it next day or two, as of Monday i'm contacting my bank.
Sorry, just hope you understand my point of view and provide feedback, which you promised btw (contacting proper team, etc) not template answers asking me for access to my hosting and website, which as a technical representative I understand clearly is not needed.
ATE-978844 was €100.05 - this was for 195125 credits used in October before you cancelled the subscription. Once you reopened the subscription, you had a debt of those credits which needed to be paid. That's what the invoice 978844 was fore. A
fter this, you hit the translation safety limit and received the notification to pay the €100. This was invoice ATE-978851, which is not a duplicate of the one you paid previously. Those are two separate charges - one was for debt of credits used that hadn't been paid, and one was for the safety limit.
Once you paid that, the subscription limit was increased. Once the limit was increased, you used 26630000. This is what invoice ATE-1011321, which was the used credits for October.
So you were not charged multiple times for the same thing. As I mentioned previously, your subscription was cancelled after multiple payment attemtps failed. Once you reinstated your subscription, it likely will ask you to pay the safety limit again since it is a new subscription. Keep in mind that the $100 safetly limit gets credited to your invoice towards the use of credits. You can see how that works if you look at the details of invoice ATE-1011321.
To answer the rest of your questions:
1. Am I being properly charged? - Yes, you are being properly charged as i have outlined above you were not charged multiple times for the same thing.
2. Why I have to pay 100 EUR minimum limit several times? Because your subscription was cancelled due to too many failed payment attempts and you had to start a new subscription. This can also happen if you cancel your subscription on your own and then restart it.
3. Why after reaching cheapest price for credit, it is being put several times to highest charge? I previously outlind the pricing for pay as you go is based on how many credits you use and this is also outlined here: https://wpml.org/documentation/automatic-translation/automatic-translation-pricing/#pay-as-you-go-pricing. Each month when you pay for the previous month, the count is reset. This is how we determine how many credits are used each month and how much to charge each month.
4. Why I have to wait for days even weeks to continue translation, what is the problem in general? I have to pay another 100 EUR (for something I already paid - as I think, and even if I'm wrong on highest price possible even If I am reached lowest price limit) If it's asking you to pay the safety limit again then it is because you had a subscription cancelled and started a new one. Once again, this 100 gets applied to the monthly credits used, so it's not an additional 100, it gets credited back in to the credits you used. If it's not asking you to pay the safetly limit but still not translating, then there could be errors in the log which will help, which was why I was asking for access to your site a few days ago to try and see if I could find other issues.
To review, the three invoices you have paid were for three different things:
100.05 for used credits before your subscrition was cancelled and needed to be paid as it was considered credit debt.
100.00 for the safety limit to be raised.
952.92 for the credits used through the rest of October.
If your site is not asking you to pay another safety limit but the translations are not working, let me know and I can split this ticket and we will need access to the site to take a look and see what is going on.
Alright, I have been charged 100 EUR again, but no translations were uploaded. Again stuck, I had to restart translation. And now I again reached 195000 credits, and again I am not charged and no translations uploaded.
What you write make sense, but I keep getting charged 100 EUR and no translations are getting uploaded to my website.
AS you see I'm again paid 100 EUR (as I said - not a single translation uploaded to website)
Now I already need to pay 100 EUR - why it is not charging me?
At least upload some translations...
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